Rashi-Is-Simple Mailing List (C) Dr Russell Jay Hendel, 1999 Http://www.Shamash.Org/Rashi/ Volume 01 Number 14 Produced Feb 28, 1999 Topics Discussed in This Issue ------------------------------ v02-28 Administrivia: ***NEW FORMAT***EASIER TO READ**** v1a32-15 Marital frequency depends on WORKLOAD and LOCATION v2b20-23 Learn to respect people from command to respect stones v1-45-14 Cry on=CRY CONCERNING;Neck=Symbol of STEADFASTNESS v4-11-10 People were crying concerning family matters #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* v02-28 Administrivia * This issue dedicated to BILL BERNSTEINS FRIEND ------------------------------------------------ I thank Bill for his excellent question which took me a whole issue to explain!!!! I look forward to receiving other good questions which take whole issues. (Recall Bill asked why Rashi on the verse And he (Benjamin) cried on Joseph's neck which seems simple enough necessitated Rashi to say "He cried on the Temple(MishKan Shiloh) destroyed in his territory. * 1% OF ALL RASHIS ------------------ We will soon have completed explanation of 1% of all rashis. I want to thank everyone for their patience during this initial stage. * NEW FORMAT EASER TO READ ------------------------------------- I deliberately went slow at the beginning to find the BEST format of readability. Remember this list is for everyone FROM LAYMAN to RABBIS to ACADEMIC SCHOLARS. Several people have sent me feedback. The most common complaints are * it takes too long to read everything but I read some of it and enjoy what I read * it is sometimes disconnected So the new format will eliminate all that. ---Most people read only the first 4 sections VERSE TEXT RASHI TEXT BRIEF EXPLANATION OF RASHI COMMENTS ON RASHIS FORM So these have all been put up front at the beginning. ---The LISTS are hard to read and time consuming. Some people sometimes want to read some of them. SO I PUT ALL LISTS at the bottom. Furthermore I combined all the hard sections. So that LISTS LIST ANOMALY DISTINCTIONS have been combined INTO ONE SECTION and at the bottom. Furthermore this section is headed by the warning LISTS--FOR ADVANCED STUDENTS OR STUDENTS WHO HAVE ALOT OF TIME I have numbered all lists {LIST1} {LIST2} etc. These lists are REFERENCED in the explanation of Rashi. So you can read the explanation and then check what you want, when you want and if you want to. ---Fragmentation has been eliminated. I used to explain Rashi both before and after the lists and this gave a fragmented feeling. So I eliminated the 2nd Rashi explanation. ----The acknowledgements, cross references and principles are given at the end (The way they use to be). If people like this new form we can go to TWO ISSUES per week. Even issues will contain NEW MATERIAL and NEW PRINCIPLES. Odd issues will contain APPLICATIONS of OLD PRINCIPLES. So you can read the odd issues quicker. I hope to send one out on Sunday and one out on Tuesday Wednesday. Please feel free to send me any comments on form. WEB SITE UPDATED BEFORE ISSUE IS SENT OUT ----------------------------------------- Although I said last week I would be updating the web site weekly several people said they would prefer it be updated the same day the postings are sent out. Accordingly the WEB SITE HAS ALREADY BEEN UPDATED. It is understood that it will be UPDATED prior to my sending out any postings (even when we go to twice a week). FOOTER ------ Finally I have rewritten the footer to include information on notational conventions and the web site #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v1a32-15 ..female goats 200,males 20.. ---------- female oxen 40, males 10.. RASHI TEXT: ---------- * 200 females to 20 goats = 10 females to every he-goat. Similarly in all the animals listed in the verse it gives the male female ratio. And in Berashit Rabbah they derive from here the minimum requirements of visitation of husbands to wives for every type of worker: WORKER FREQUENCY ------ --------- Wealthy people------------------------once a day, city workers--------------------------twice a week city to city transportation workers---once a week state to state transportation workers-once a month country to country sea fearers--------once @ 6 months And I (Rashi) don't see how to derive these human ratios from the animal ratios of these verses. Therefore I interpret this Midrash as follows: The **GENERAL IDEA** that male-female frequency should depend on a) WORKLOAD (if you work less you have more marital time) b) LOCATION (if you are away you have less time) is derived from these verses. These two factors--- WORKLOAD and LOCATION apply equally to animals and humans. The **DETAILS** of how to apply it depend on human interpretation. (E.g. OXEN who work alot have a 4:1 ratio vs GOATS who work less have a 10:1 ratio thus illustrating the WORKLOAD idea. DONKEYS who travel far have only a 2:1 ratio (illustration the LOCATION idea---). BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ---------------------------------------- * Rashi is completely clear. Rashi here introduces what I call the principle of STAGES: The midrash should be understood in two stages. There is the PRINCIPLE of he VERSE called the GENERAL STAGE and there is the DETAILS OF THIS PRINCIPLE called the DETAIL STAGE. The verse's interpretion has 3 components: * LITERAL MEANING: female goats,200, he goats 20 * GENERAL STAGE {Principle}: Male female frequency depends on two factors: WORKLOAD & LOCATION. The more you work the less your frequency. The more you are away the less your frequecy. * DETAIL STAGE: In this stage we APPLY the general principle to some other area using LOGIC &/or science. Thus we apply the idea that FREQUENCY should depend on WORKLOAD and LOCATION to HUMAN WORKERS based on our knowledge of work conditions. Notice how the LITERAL MEANING and GENERAL STAGE are PSHAT the SIMPLE MEANING OF THE TEXT. The DETAIL STAGE is not really DERASH, rather it is the APPLICATION of the GENERAL STAGE to some NEW situation. To understand Rashi means to UNDERSTAND the LITERAL MEANING of the verse and the PRINCIPLES underlying it. The APPLICATION of these principles to other areas is interesting and halachically important but does not really have anything to do per se with the verse. Complete understanding of the verse only requires knowledge of the LITERAL MEANING and GENERAL STAGE. COMMENTS ON RASHI'S FORM: ------------------------ * Since Rashi gives a new principle here---the principle of STAGES---the principle that MIDRASH very often is NOT MEANT to be understood as something DERIVED from the text of the verse itself but rather something we APPLY from the verse to a NEW SITUATION---since Rashi gives this new principle here-----he completely spells it out and illustrates it with examples. He also shows the difficulty with LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE MIDRASH---you can NOT derive the HUMAN female-male ratios from the ANIMAL female-male ratios. Hence you have to assume a new principle, the principle of STAGES. LISTS {For ADVANCED students and for those with more time}: ---------------------------------------------------------- * CROSS REFERENCES: ---------------- * ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ---------------- * The above comes DIRECTLY from my article PSHAT and DERASH RULE CLASSIFICATION {See the web site for comparable examples}: -------------------------------------------------------------- * STAGES #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v2b20-23 ..Use a RAMP not STEPS to go up the alter ---------- in order that you don't uncover your nakedness RASHI TEXT: ---------- * STEPS (vs a RAMP) necessitates BIGGER STEPS while a RAMP allows SMALLER STEPS. BIGGER STEPS in turn uncover MORE nakedness per STEP than smaller steps (so to speak, the stairs or ramp can "see" more of your nakedness in bigger steps). Rashi now makes two observations: First he notes that this is all symbolic since the priests had linen undergarments so that the stairs never really "saw" their nakedness. Secondly Rashi learns, in the name of Chazal, a moral lesson: If you have to be considerate to the "feelings of steps/ramps" and not show them your nakedness how much more so that you have to be considerate of the feelings of people(who can really be embarassed) BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ---------------------------------------- * Fully explained in Rashi. COMMENTS ON RASHI'S FORM: ------------------------ * The Peshat, or simple meaning of the verse is understood---Rashi simply shows an APPLICATION of this meaning to the sphere of human feelings. LISTS {For ADVANCED students and for those with more time}: ---------------------------------------------------------- * CROSS REFERENCES: ---------------- * ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ---------------- * RULE CLASSIFICATION {See the web site for comparable examples}: -------------------------------------------------------------- * MORAL REASONS #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v1a45-14 And he fell on brother Ben's neck and cried & ----- v1b45-14 Benyamin cried concerning his obstinacy RASHI TEXT: ---------- * Benjamin cried concerning the Mishcan Shiloh (which was in Josephs Territory) which would be destroyed (Similarly Rashi on the first part says Neck(S) is plural-- Joseph cried on the two temples (all towers resemble neck like structures) that were destroyed in his portion) BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ---------------------------------------- * As can be seen from {LIST1} NECK is a symbol of freedom. To subjugate somebody is to "Harness his NECK" while to be free is to free his NECK. Like the English expression has a backbone NECK symbolizes obstinacy and freedom. Furthermore {LIST2} shows that the English word BACKBONE and the 2 Hebrew words OREF and TZVAR (both meaning neck) symbolize OBSTINACY and FREEDOM. Thus this symbolic equation (NECK=FREEDOM) seems well established. {LIST3} shows that CRYING has 3 distinct meanings: BCH ETH means CRYING/MOURNING and denotes a crying on death. BCH L means CRY AT THE SIGHT OF and denotes a state of shock. But BCH AL means to CRY CONCERNING some event which upset you: As an example the daughter of YIFTACH cried concerning the fact that she had to remain a virgin for the rest of her life and couldn't get married (Jud 11,37). The previous two paragraphs quite simply state that CRY ON = CRY CONCERNING NECK = FREEDOM/OBSTINACY/BACKBONE So quite simply BENJAMIN CRIED "on" JOSEPHS "neck" means BENJAMIN CRIED "concerning" JOSEPHS "obstinacy" The question immediately arises "WHAT OBSTINACY"--and why did he cry? Instead of following Rashi my favorite technique in Chumash classes is to ask them: "Well where did Joseph show obstinacy and freedom" The answer here is not that hard and you don't have to be one of the Talmudic sages: Joseph as a young teenager resisted the advances of his bosses wife at great risk to himself. Now that is real obstinacy Quite simply then after the Brothers reunited and exchanged stories of what had happened to them in the past 20 years they reunited and kissed and Benjamin cried about the horrible life Joseph had and how he had to spend time in Prison because he wanted to preserve his religious freedom. To use an English expression his story was a real "tear breaker". As a final note the student might ask "But isn't that Derash?"-- No! Most people are familiar with the English phrase to CRY ON SOMEONE'S SHOULDER. So they think that Benjamin really cried on Joseph's neck. But there is no such phrase like this in Hebrew. Instead CRY ON must be interpreted as CRY CONCERNING and NECK is usually symbolic of OBSTINACY/FREEDOM---so the verse literally means BENJAMIN CRIED CONCERNING JOSEPHS OBSTINACY (with Potiperah and his subsequent being jailed). But you will ask,"That is not what Rashi said...he spoke about the destruction of MishKan Shiloh?". See a reasonable explanation of this in COMMENTS ON RASHI'S FORM Finally we mention the first part of the verse. And he fell "on" the "neck"(S) of Benjamin and wept As before ON = AL = CONCERNING Also as before NECK= = OBSTINACY We have one additional element-- neck(S) is in the plural For otherwise the PSHAT "He fell on his neck and wept" would be perfectly legitimate (In fact we find a similar expression in 1-46-29 so it is perfectly legitimate). How about this PLURAL, NECK(S). Is it that peculiar? Yes as {LIST5} below shows. So we have that JOSEPH FELL(or FAINTED) concerning BENJAMINS OBSTINACY/STUBBORNESS and wept. That is the PSHAT. We have no right to say that something else is in the verse. As before I invite my students to try and guess what this OBSTINACY/STUBBORNESS was. But this time there is nothing obvious. There certainly is nothing in the Chumash. But apparently from NACH we can infer certain things (See {LIST6}) & these are all conjectural. In my original writing of this posting I was going to elaborate on my own ideas (that the two obstinacies refers to the fact that Benjamin never sinned (I believe this verse is the source for that) and that Benjamin, when his brothers told him about what they really did to Joseph--which I believe they did---refused to join them and took Joseph's side (that he would one day be leader). But I have no ABSOLUTE PROOF and my whole goal here is to tell the Pshat. So that is what I will do--the Pshat is that Joseph and Ben cried over the stories of each others obstinacies and assertions of freedom (even if we don't have such stories for Benjamin)-- the commentators then try and guess what the obstinacy referred to. This is perfectly normal in Rashi (See COMMENTS ON RASHIS FORM). To understand Rashi simply means to understand the 3 items I have mentioned: CRY ON = CONCERNING NECK = OBSTINACY/FREEDOM NECK(S) = Couldn't be literal COMMENTS ON RASHI'S FORM: ------------------------ * Recall the principle of stages v1a32-15. The interpretation of a verse has 3 components: The LITERAL MEANING Benjamin cried CONCERNING Joseph's obstinacy The GENERAL STAGE "Joseph's Obstinacy"= Obstinacy in religious matters of modesty (i.e. saying no to Potiperah's wife and begin jailed) The DETAIL STAGE Here we APPLY the GENERAL STAGE IDEA of OBSTINATE in MATTERS OF MODESTY to some NEW AREA. Rashi (as is his custom) prefers picteresque examples to statements of abstract principles. So he picks the most picteresque example of Josephine Modesty--the MishKan Shiloh which occured in Joseph's territory Some comments are in order. The PESHAT of the verse is the literal interpretation (Cried concerning his obstinacy) and the General stage (that his obstinacy referred to his episode with Potiferah's wife). The DETAIL stage is NEVER part of the meaning of the text but rather ILLUSTRATES it. In this case Joseph MERITED to have a temple in his territory because he resisted temptation. Furthermore just as Joseph's resistance to temptation led to his being jailed so did MishKan Shiloh end up being destroyed. The theme is the same: Fighting for freedom and obstinacy usually encounters resistance and (temporary) setbacks. In conclusion: The Peshat of the verse is that Benjamin cried concerning Joseph's obstinacy for modesty-- and a nifty catchy application of this meaning is what happened to MishKan Shiloh. Similar comments would be made on the first part of the verse: Joseph wept on Benjamins OBSTINACY--we don't even know what that is!! Rashi (by analogy with the first part of the verse) picks a picturesque example--the two temples that were destroyed in Benjamins territory (This would also account for the plural) See {LIST6} below for a list of Biblical hints to Benjamins obstinacy--my own opinion is that the well known Talmudic dictum that Benjamin was one of the 4 people who never sinned is learned from this very verse (Just as Joesph was obstinate in a matter of Modesty so was Benjamin--the idea of EQUATING the two obstinacies in the verse was advanced by the MATNOT KEHUNA on BERASHIT RABBAH (See the CROSS REFERENCES)). I also believe that the brothers had to tell Benjamin what really happened to Joseph (Otherwise he might come back). They then asked Benjamin to join them and deny that Joseph would be leader. But it is suggested by the names of Benjamins children {LIST6}that Benjamin believed in Joseph's dream and therefore the 2nd obstinacy may have been his refusal to join them. Who knows? Anyway the PSHAT is as I have stated: Benjamin and Joseph wept over the stories of each others obstinacy--this is all that is required to be believed. It is the nature of the commentators to research what this obstinacy was but these SHOULD be regarded as conjectures. LISTS {For ADVANCED students and for those with more time}: ---------------------------------------------------------- * {LIST1} {Tsvar = neck = obstinacy/freedom} VERSE TEXT SYMBOLIZING ----- ---- ----------- 1-27-40 Remove his yolk from your neck Freedom 5-28-48 And place an iron yolk on your neck Subjugation Jer30-8 I will destroy his yolk from on your neck Freedom Isa52-2 Open the knots on your neck Freedom Js10-24 And place their legs on their necks Subjugation * {LIST2} {BACKBONE = OBSTINACY & FREEDOM} WORD MEANING VERSE VERSE WITH SYMBOLIC MEANING OF OBSTINACY ---- ------- ----- ---------------------------------------- BACKBONE Backbone In English it can mean obstinacy TSVAR NECK 1-27-40 And you shall loosen his yolk from your neck OREF NECK 2-32-9 Stiff Necked nation (=stubborn) * {LIST3} {VERSES WITH BCH=TO CRY} VERSE PREPOSITION TEXT ----- ----------- ---- 1-37-45 ETH And his father MOURNED HIM 1-50-3 ETH And Egypt MOURNED HIM Jer8-23 ETH And I will mourn the slain of my people 5-21-13 ETH* She will mourn (separation)from her family 1S20-41 ETH* & they mourned separation from each other Jud11-37 AL Cry concerning my virginity(I can't marry) Jud14-16 AL** Cry concerning that you hate me 4-11-13 AL Cry concerning "I can't give them meat" Job30-25 L# I cried at the sight of suffering person Jer48-12 L# I'll cry at the sight of your destruction 4-11-10 L# Crying at the news of family incest laws FOOTNOTES: --------- * These two verses (5-21-13 and 1S20-41) denote mourning on long term separation not death ** It might appear that Delilah "Cried on Samson"--but a careful reading of the verse would suggest that she "moped" in a corner and cried "You hate me and don't love me". To be fair to the reader I list all verses with AL (1-45-14, Jud 11-37, 1-37-35, 1-45-15, 1-46-29, 1-50-1, 2R13-14, Jud11-38, Jud14-16, Jud14-17, 4-11-13, Jer31-15. Note how we would e.g. have to interpret 1-50-3 not as "JOSEPH CRIED ON HIS FATHERS SHOULDERS" but rather as "JOSEPH CRIED CONCERNING HIS FATHER"S ALWAYS BEING OBSTINATE AND STANDING UP FOR HIM". In general this is a difficult list to PROVE. But I have given what I think is Chazal's opinion with verses that support as well as verses that do not support. Let the reader try and find their own patterns. # There are only 3 verses with L.They appear to mean CRY CONCERNING I have no way of proving they mean CRY AT THE SIGHT OF--thus the JOB30-25 verse may be provable as meaning "at the sight of" but it would require alot of work. The Chazalian interpretation 4-11-10 is famous and falls neatly into our suggested list of meanings based on ROOT+PREPOSITION. On 2nd thought the interpretation BCH L = CRY CONCERNING would ALSO be consistent with all listed verses and ALSO consistent with the Chazalian interpretation on 4-11-10. * {LIST4} {SUMMARY OF MEANINGS OF BCH} BCH+PREPOSITION MEANING --------------- ------- BCH ETH CRYING FOR MOURNING or SEPARATION BCH L IN a state of SHOCK on seeing something or becoming aware of something It would appear tha BCH L might mean the same as BCH AL=CRY CONCERNING some loss BCH AL CRYING CONCERNING some loss FOOTNOTES: --------- Again it is perfectly OK to interpret BCH L the same way we interpret BCH AL--cry CONCERNING some matter. * {LIST5} {Use of the Plural of NECK} VERSE MODE WHO IT REFERS TO -------- ---- ---------------- Jos 10,24 Plural The KingS Joshua conquered Ez 21-34 Plural The necks of the slain wicked Jud 8-21 Plural The ornaments in the neckS of camels Jud 8-26 Plural The ornaments in the neckS of camels Jud 5-30 Plural Colored clothing for the necks of plunderers Jer 27-12 Plural Bring (the jews)your neckS under the yolk 1-27-16 Singular Placed ornament on Joseph's neck 1-33-4 Singular Fell on his neck and wept(Esauv-Jacob) 1-45-12 Singular Our verse (Benjamin wept concerning..) 1-46-29 Singular Jacob and Joseph FOOTNOTES --------- So there are only 6 plural and 4 singular and ALL plural uses of neck refer to MANY people. Therefore if our verse says on the neckS of a single person Benjamin it MUST refer to the metaphoric meaning--obstinacy/freedom * {LIST6} {CONJECTURAL Hints to Benjamins Obstinacy in Tnach} EVENT/VERSE DISCUSSION ----------- ---------- The temple It was built (partially) in Benjamin's territory 1-49-27 Benjamin will tear up the wolf: In the MORNING he will have booty but in the EVENING he will divide up the spoils. The phrases MORNING and EVENING refers to Dan-8-26--And the vision of the EVENING and MORNING is TRUE: This in turn refers to Dan-8-14 ..Until the EVENING OF MORNING is 2300 Thus the 3 verses (1-49-27, Dan-8-26 and Dan-8-14) seem to refer to the reign of the Danielic He-Goat --presumably Benjamin merited this because he never sinned and therefore he merited to "tear up the wolf" 1-46-21 The 10 children of Benjamin. 60% or 6 of these CLEARLY refer to Joseph and therefore Chazal conjectured that all 10 refer to Joseph. The 6 children that have obvious meanings are CHILD'S NAME REFERENCE TO JOSEPH ------------ ------------------- Swallowed Joe, swallowed by animal First Born Joe=1st born of Rachel Pleasant (Naman) Pleasant person to be with Brother (AyChi) My brother Head Joe's dream he will be head ARD=GO DOWN reference to Jacob ("I will GO DOWN to the grave on Joseph" 1-37-35) It is clear from these names that Benjamin believed in Joseph's dream EVEN after his brothers had gotten rid of him--he in effect asserted "He,Joseph will rule over you". I would therefore conjecture that this is one example of his obstinacy. FOOTNOTES: --------- I emphasize this is conjectural. The real Pshat of the verse is given above--Benjamin was obstinate--and we have shown what Benjamin COULD have been obstinate about. There are only 3 verses--the building of the Temple in his portion, possibly bcause he didn't sin, the verses on the Danielic-He-Goat again because he didn't sin and the naming of his 10 children because he believed in the prophecy. CROSS REFERENCES: ---------------- * v1b32-15 The principle of STAGES See Berashit Rabbah 93:12--commentaries of Rashi, MatNoth KeHunah I have not spent time on certain "false leads" in the commentaries So e.g. TSAVARAUV is a normal SINGULAR form(but we don't have to prove this) The phrase CRYING ON A SHOULDER occurs a few times in Tnach...thus unlike the Sifsay Chachamim we can't say that the phrase "on his shoulder" is a problem. Rather the real point of Rashi is that it speaks about CRYING ON which always means CRYING CONCERNING. We must then supplement this with the observation that NECK equals OBSTINACY. Regarding this last point I should note that in my article I point out that it is a mistake to ask WHAT IS THE PROBLEM IN THE VERSE or WHAT IS BOTHERING RASHI. Nothing is BOTHERING Rashi in this verse. BCH=CRY has 3 forms---none of them are peculiar---Rashi is simply telling us what THIS PARTICULAR FORM (BCH AL) means. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ---------------- * To Bill Bernstein and his friend for asking the question. It was a good question--we have clarified many principles. RULE CLASSIFICATION {See the web site for comparable examples}: -------------------------------------------------------------- * ROOT+PREPOSITION | STAGES #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v4-11-10 ..the nation crying concerning family matters ---------- RASHI TEXT: ---------- * They were crying concerning family matters..because Moses had given them the sexual prohibitions and people could no longer marry forbidden sexual relations. BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ---------------------------------------- * e.g. The Sifray suggests that people use to marry their aunts (Indeed,even after the Torah was given uncles could marry their nieces and it is reasonable that by analogy they thought they could marry their aunts As {LIST2} shows "BCH=To Cry" has 3 meanings: BCH ETH=Mourn, BCH L=Cry at the sight of, BCH AL = Cry concerning some lost. Verses justifying these 3 meanings are given in {LIST1}. So the verse EXPLICITLY says that they were CRYING CONCERNING FAMILY MATTERS. COMMENTS ON RASHI'S FORM: ------------------------ * Rashi actually gives two explanations. The 2nd explanation is PSHAT since as the lists below show CRY ON means CRY CONCERNING (or CRY AT THE SIGHT OF). By contrast there are NO lists to justify the first of Rashi's explanations (Each family cried together). Indeed CRY L only occurs 3 times in Tenach and never refers to WHO was crying (the families) but rather refers to ON WHAT they were crying (concerning family matters that they could no longer marry their aunts). Why then did Rashi give the first explanation especially since it is NOT pshat? My own opinion is that Rashi always preferred a CATCHY NIFTY form to an abstract principle. It APPEARS as if the verse is saying that they cried BY families. Furthermore if Rashi says that he can then mention the Midrash of the Sifray which now appears natural: It is as if Rashi said: Oh, by the way...why did the Torah say that they CRIED BY FAMILIES? Because of the incest laws which prohibited people from marrying family members!! Thus we see Rashi's genious! He deliberately chose a superficial meaning that could not be justified by lists in order to make more palatable the true pshat which can be justified by lists. Again: CRY with the L (LAMED) ***NEVER*** means CRYING BY... and ***NEVER*** refers to WHO is crying but rather always refers to ON WHAT they were crying. The reader is invited to examine the lists below to convince himself/herself of this. LISTS {For ADVANCED students and for those with more time}: ---------------------------------------------------------- * {LIST2} {VERSES WITH BCH=TO CRY} VERSE PREPOSITION TEXT ----- ----------- ---- 1-37-45 ETH And his father MOURNED HIM 1-50-3 ETH And Egypt MOURNED HIM Jer8-23 ETH And I will mourn the slain of my people 5-21-13 ETH* She will mourn (separation)from her family 1S20-41 ETH* & they mourned separation from each other Jud11-37 AL Cry concerning my virginity(I can't marry) Jud14-16 AL** Cry concerning that you hate me 4-11-13 AL Cry concerning "I can't give them meat" Job30-25 L# I cried at the sight of suffering persons Jer48-12 L# I'll cry at the sight of your destruction 4-11-10 L# Crying at the news of family incest laws FOOTNOTES: * These two verses (5-21-13 and 1S20-41) denote mourning on long term separation not death ** It might appear that Delilah "Cried on Samson"--but a careful reading of the verse would suggest that she "moped" in a corner and cried "You hate me and don't love me". To be fair to the reader I list all verses with AL (1-45-14, Jud 11-37, 1-37-35, 1-45-15, 1-46-29, 1-50-1, 2R13-14, Jud11-38, Jud14-16, Jud14-17, 4-11-13, Jer31-15. Note how we would e.g. have to interpret 1-50-3 not as "JOSEPH CRIED ON HIS FATHERS SHOULDERS" but rather as "JOSEPH CRIED CONCERNING HIS FATHER"S ALWAYS BEING OBSTINATE AND STANDING UP FOR HIM". In general this is a difficult list to PROVE. But I have given what I think is Chazal's opinion with verses that support as well as verses that do not support. Let the reader try and find their own patterns. # There are only 3 verses with L.They appear to mean CRY CONCERNING I have no way of proving they mean CRY AT THE SIGHT OF--thus the JOB30-25 verse may be provable as meaning "at the sight of" but it would require alot of work. The Chazalian interpretation 4-11-10 is famous and falls neatly into our suggested list of meanings based on ROOT+PREPOSITION. On 2nd thought the interpretation BCH L = CRY CONCERNING would ALSO be consistent with all listed verses and ALSO consistent with the Chazalian interpretation on 4-11-10. * {LIST1} {SUMMARY OF MEANINGS OF BCH} BCH+PREPOSITION MEANING --------------- ------- BCH ETH CRYING FOR MOURNING or SEPARATION BCH L IN a state of SHOCK on seeing something or becoming aware of something It would appear tha BCH L might mean the same as BCH AL=CRY CONCERNING some loss BCH AL CRYING CONCERNING some loss FOOTNOTES: --------- Again it is perfectly OK to interpret BCH L the same way we interpret BCH AL--cry CONCERNING some matter. 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