Rashi-Is-Simple Mailing List (C) (C) Dr Jay Hendel, 1999 Volume 01 Number 07 Produced Jan 10, 1999 Topics Discussed in This Issue ------------------------------ v-administrivia-0109-Digests|WrapAround|Modification|Duplicits|v1n5 v2z1-5--TO BE=EMPHASIS--Only true in PRESENT/FUTURE (not past) v2-8-27----List of Plague stoppages;Frogs died (odor);Others removed v2b9-31---SPROUTED:TO SPROUT::RUNWAY:PLANE RUN::TO FATTEN: FAT v2a9-31---NCH = TO HIT vs NooCoo = DEFORMED-INJURED v2-4-4-----ChZK = Strong; ChZK+B = To hold; ChZK+M=To Overpower #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* v-administrivia-0109 * RECEIPT ========= One person wrote me that he had difficulty receiving postings because of internet connections. We were able to resolve this problem satisfactorally. In general, I and Shamash staff are more than happy to help solve receipt problems. Please write. * WRAP AROUND ============= I have been trying to make my lists so that they will read as lists (aligned by column) on most standard viewers. I have found that standard telnet screens are 68 characters in length and therefore starting with this issue lines are truncated to 68 characters. If you have particular needs let me know about them. Incidentally, saved files do NOT read well in WP and notepad but do read well in Dos. I may have a LIST OF LISTS section on the green room of my website where you can review a hTML version of all lists. * CORRECTIONS / MODIFICATIONS ============================== Again we encourage postings. This week I was asked a question on my interpretation of 2-1-5 by someone in my Chumash group. The resulting posting is v2z1-5 where the z stands for a correction The Yellow room of the website will contain all postings BY VERSE and therefore an interested reader will be able to peruse modifications right after the verse. * DUPLICATION ============== In general Rashi-Is-Simple duplicates lists and discussions in cross references. For example, v2-9-2 and v2-4-4 both deal with the principle that ChZK can mean TO HOLD. Rather than just say GO SEE THE OTHER POSTING FOR A FULL DISCUSSION we have cut and pasted everything in duplicate so the reader does not have to cross reference. Of course if you read the two postings at once you can freely skip over the other one. [Moderator: This last paragraph is the original paragraph as stated on the archives--Volume 1 Number 7. At the time of rewriting it for the zipping of volume 1, I had developed the custom of placing several verses in one posting. So I combined v2-9-2 and v2-4-4. BUT..I cited BOTH verses and both Rashis. Furthermore, if I cite a verse in a later issue then I invariably will at least cut the appropriate list So the policy on duplication is still to be "friendly" to the user] * VOLUME 1 NUMBER 5 =================== Vol 1 Number 5 is NOT on the archives. I have finally solved my archiving problems with help from Shamash. It will be resent at a later date and archived. Anyone who wants a back copy should email me. #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: V2z1-5 And Joseph was in Egypt ----- RASHI: "WAS"=Emphasis; He was the same pastoral shepard boy ------ QUESTION: (By a student in my Chumash class at Lower Merion Syn) -------- The lists you give emphasize that in Hebrew Explicit use of the verb "to be" = emphasis But the examples you gave are all either Present tense e.g. It IS a Minchah, or Future tense e.g. He WILL BE Holy It is true that in Hebrew we don't need explicit use of the verb to be for PRESENT and FUTURE--in other words, in Hebrew it is not awkward to say "...Holy" or "...a Minchah" and it is understood that the verb "to be" is intended. But the past tense is explicitly needed. Thus in 2-1-5 we have and "JOSEPH WAS IN EGYPT".This would sound peculiar if we wrote JOSEPH IN EGYPT. ANSWER: ------- It is precisely for this reason that Rashi adds in his commentary on this verse "Don't we know that Joseph was in Egypt". Rashi inteprets the addition of the whole sentence "And Joseph was in Egypt" as emphasis (the same way the verb TO BE by itself is usually translated as emphasis). QUESTION2: ========= Granted that the sentence "And Joseph was in Egypt" is for emphasis but why then do I bring in the issue of TO BE---the derash is from the extra superfluous sentence not from the verb TO BE. ANSWER ------ Unfortunately this would contradict the Rashi on 2-1-1: The WHOLE CHAPTER IS SUPERFLUOUS. We know the Children of Jacob and we also know that Joseph was in Egypt.The purpose of repetition is to denote endearment (in accordance with the REPETITION=Endearment principle) which occurs in several Rashis. Since EVERYONE was repeated we cannot ask why JOSEPH was repeated. Therefore we need two observations: Joseph was repeated & also was repeated with the verb TO BE (which denotes emphasis). Here is how the v2-1-1 thru v2-1-5 should read: And these are name of the children of Israel IN EGYPT Jacob, He himself and his household. Reuven Shimon Levi ....Joseph. And the total of all descendants of Jacob was 70 souls This would not present a problem since Joseph is repeated like everyone else. Rather the text is worded in such a way as to contrast THOSE WHO CAME and THOSE WHO WERE THERE--the use of the verb WERE denotes EMPHASIS and this gives rise to the point that he was the same Joseph. The question still has strength and we will investigate other verbs to be, in past tense, in future issues to try and vindicate this. #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v2-8-27 ...and God REMOVED the AROV ------ RASHI TEXT: ----------a) The Frogs DIED vs b) the Arov was REMOVED--a further punishment to prevent them from selling AROV skins(make profit) BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ---------------------------------------- Rashi reviews the LIST of all 10 Plagues and contrasts language. --The hail was STOPPED, --the CNIM and LOCUST were REMOVED but --the frogs DIED why the difference? (See {LIST1} and {LIST2} for details on the differences) Rashi answers with a theme (2-10-2)-- >>God "wanted to increase the wonders done to Egypt" << Hence ---the frogs died " giving a horrible odor"(2-8-10).By contrast ---the CNIM and LOCOSTS did not die, but were removed, in order to prevent making a profit by selling them. RASHI'S FORM ------------ Rashi as is his custom only takes ONE EXAMPLE from the list. Frogs vs Arov. He uses his famous workbook methods and leaves it to the reader to apply the same methodology to other list members Similarly Rashi leaves it to the reader to strengthen his examples by finding supporting verses (Thus we have brought in 2-8-10 showing how the frog death caused bad odor.) LISTS: ------ {LIST1} {We review all 10 plagues and study the language by which the Torah indicates that the plagues ceased. The word indicating stoppage is surrounded by underlines. The contrasting language is further elaborated in {LIST2}} PLAGUE VERSE HOW DOES THE VERSE INDICATE THE PLAGUE STOPPED ------ ----- ---------------------------------------------- Blood 2-7-25 There were 7 days _AFTER_ God had smitten the Nile Frogs 2-7-9 The Frogs _Died_ CNIM NO STOPPING MENTIONED Arov 2-8-27 And God _Removed_ the Arov Dever NO STOPPING MENTIONED Shchin NO STOPPING MENTIONED Hail 2-9-33 And the thunder and hail _stopped_ Locust 2-10-19 .It carried the locust & _staked_ them into the sea Dark NO STOPPING MENTIONED 1stBorn NO STOPPING MENTIONED {LIST2} {Continuation of the study of the different language used to describe the STOPPING of each plague. This study was begun in {LIST1}. In this list we note that certain plagues had to stop anyway (e.g. Darkness was decreed for 3 days); similarly certain words were inappropriate to indicate cessation of certain plagues (e.g. the hail couldn't DIE)} WAS THERE A WHY WAS or HOW DID THE WHY PLAGUE NEED TO STOP WASN'T THERE BIBLE INDICATE DID IT THIS PLAGUE A NEED TO STOP STOPPAGE USE THIS LANGUAGE ====== ============ === =========== === Blood No 1 time smite Frogs YES Death Odor CNIM No 1 time smite Arov YES Removal No profit Dever No Killed animals$ Schin No 1 time smite Hail Yes Stopped ## Locust Yes Removal No profit Dark No 3 day period # 1stBorn No Killed 1st born$ FOOTNOTES: ========== # DARKNESS was only decreed for 3 days--hence there was no need to have it stopped (also note that Pharoh stopped asking Moses to pray to God and threatened to kill him if he ever came back during the Dark plague (2-10-25). ## Note that HAIL could not DIE and it didn't have to be REMOVED--it had to be STOPPED. $ Certain plagues intrinsically dealt with death (DEVER, FIRSTBORN) and therefore the plague natually terminated when all target-victims were dead. CROSS REFERENCES: ---------------- ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ---------------- RULE CLASSIFICATION: DOUBLE PARSHAS | LIST -------------------- #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v2a9-31 ..because the barley had "sprouted" ------ RASHI TEXT: "Sprouted" is the adjectival form of "to sprout" ---------- BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ---------------------------------------- * The root ABB has 3 forms in Tnach * AViV = Spring,the holiday = The TIME of sprouting * AeBo = The ACT of sprouting * AViV = while sprouting The ATTRIBUTE of sprouting Rashi simply notes how VERBS denoting ACTION can become ADJECTIVES denoting that things have had this ACTION happen to them. {LIST1} gives some simple examples: A FROZEN object is something that had the activity of FREEZING done to it. Similarly a GROWN plant is a plant that had the activity of GROWING done to it. We conclude by analogy that a SPROUTED PLANT is a PLANT that had the act of SPROUTING done to it. * Just as there are rules of GRAMMAR so to there are rules of SEMANTICS * Hebrew grammar tells us how a verb can indicate such things as -TIME - when the action happened (past, present..) -PERSON - who did it (me, you, someone else) -PLURALITY - were WE doing or ME doing it -GENDER - whether the doer was MALE or FEMALE -MODE - how the action was done (Passive, active..) * Semantics tell us how to take one part of speach and convert it to another part of speach. For example taking a verb(action) and making it an attribute (adjective) etc. Rashi here is teaching us SEMANTIC rules (which are usually not taught in elemantary school. We will have more occasion to see such rules later on as the list develops. Rashi here shows us how the root AB=TO SPROUT can refer both --to the action of SPROUTING --the attribute of HAVING SPROUTED RASHI'S FORM ------------ As is our custom, we will always emphasize the inadequacy of computers when appropriate. In this case, although powerful CD ROMS exist for GRAMMATICAL FORMS there are few if any computer resources for SEMANTIC FORMS. In other words if I wanted to check all forms that begin with "H + Chirik== Hi" then I could easily do so with a CD ROM. However if I wanted a list of adjectives that came from verbs I could NOT do this. It is important to be aware of these deficiences when studying Rashi since Rashi can only be properly understood with methods that aren't always available to 20th century man. LISTS: ----- {LIST1} {Adjectives,Nouns and Verbs that come from each other Where necessary further clarification is given in the footnotes. {LIST1} reveals 4 methods by which NOUNS, VERBS, and ADJECTIVES interchange. This list of 4 methods is summarized in {LIST2}) VERB ADJ/NOUN RELATION OF ADJECTIVE/NOUN TO VERB ==== ========= ================================== Grow Grown The action of the verb was ALREADY DONE Freeze Frozen The action of the verb was ALREADY DONE Widen Wide Increase the AMOUNT of an ATTRIBUTE Fatten Fat Increase the AMOUNT of an ATTRIBUTE Chair# Chair Performs the USUAL ACTIONS of people who have the attribute Fan # Fan Perform the USUAL ACTIONS of an object with this attribute Run Runway * The PLACE WHERE planes do the ACTION (run) FOOTNOTES: ========= # "TO CHAIR" an event means that a person performs the USUAL acts of the person who has the ATTRIBUTE "CHAIR" TO FAN a person means to perform the USUAL ACTIONS that are done with a FAN. *The RUNWAY is the PLACE planes do the act of RUNNING (pre-flying) {LIST2} {Summary of the 4 methods by which Nouns, Verbs and adjectives interchange. All examples are listed in {LIST1}. The list is further amplified in the footnotes} EXAMPLE FROM YOU CAN GET BY-meaning ======= ==== =========== ========== Grown Verb Adjective The action was done to it # To Faten Noun Verb Increase amount of attribut $ Runway Verb Noun-Adj Place where action is done % To chair N-adj Verb Usual actions of N-Adj * FOOTNOTES: ========== # A GROWN object is something that had the act of GROWING done to it $ To FATTEN an object means to increase the AMOUJNT of FAT it had % A Runway is a PLACE where the planes RUN * To chair an event means to do the usual actions of the chairperson {LIST3} {Of forms of the root: ABB} FORM MEANING TOTAL NUMBER OF TOTAL PERCENT OCCURENCES IN TNACH # ==== ======= =================== ===== ======= AViV Spring 6 10 60% AViV Sprouted 2 10 20% AeBo Sprouting 2 10 20% FOOTNOTES: ========= # Some people might argue that Rashi is not teaching semantics but just avoiding possible confusion: AVIV usually means SPRING, the TIME when the action of SPROUTING takes place while here it means the ATTRIBUTE of sprouting. For the benefit of these people I have included statistics on occurences of AB roots. Notice for example that ABB refers to SPRING about 1/2 the time while the other half it refers either to the ACT or ATTRIBUTE of sprouting. CROSS REFERENCES: ---------------- ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ---------------- RULE CLASSIFICATION: SEMANTIC | ADJ-VERB -------------------- #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v2b9-31 The flax and barley were SMITTEN ----- RASHI TEXT: The root NCH: a) In HIPHIL = To hit; ---------- b) In PUAL = Deformed BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ---------------------------------------- Rashi here uses his famous workbooks methods technique--a modern pedagogical technique, to teach grammar. The root NCH has two fundamental meanings: a) LeHaKoTH = To hit and b) NKU = injured, deformed. Most people are unaware that the so called MODES of grammatical roots---(Kal, Nifal, Piel, etc ) can have a variety of meanings. In fact very often the grammatical MODES simply are place holders for several meanings of the same root--that is, if a root has two meanings one meaning may be assigned to say KAL and another meaning to PIEL (the assignment being almost arbitrary) * The root NCH usually means to HIT. * The traditional form of NCH is HIPHIL (HaKoTH) * The Pual form has a related but separate meaning: INJURED/DEFORMED (Just to emphasize the point you can hit someone without deforming them and e.g. you can be born deformed without having been hit by someone--so DEFORMED/INJURED is really a separate meaning) See {LIST1} for a study of verbs in Pual and their meaning. RASHI'S FORM ------------ The Sifsay chachamim, on this verse, falls into a COMMON RASHI FALLACY--namely to try and explain Rashi as DEALING WITH A PROBLEM. Rashi, of course, frequently does DEAL WITH A PROBLEM. And a good rule of thumb when learning a Rashi is to ask WHAT IS BOTHERING RASHI---WHAT IS RASHI'S PROBLEM. But the truth of the matter is that Rashi does not always deal with problems. Sometimes, as in this verse, he simply teaches details and meanings even though there is no danger of misinterpretation. As is our custom we will always emphasize when appropriate the inadequacy of computers. GRAMMATICAL FORM theory is normally thought to be based on thousands of cases and a complete theory. While many grammatical forms are based on many cases, nevertheless there are also many forms that are based on a few cases. In particular there are very few occurences of the PUAL form. Rashi gives one (ShooPoo)--and I have added 3 others. I would be surprised if we couldn't double the amount. The point of all this is that Grammar is NOT fixed and anyone wishing to come up with Chidushim can do so. Finally in our continual effort to promote Rashi as an educator note the modern methodology by which Rashi teaches. * TRADITIONALLY grammar is taught by giving grammatical forms to students on a silver platter and asking students to memorize them. This method was also used in mathematics---you give students formulae and you ask them to memorize them. A new approach that has popped up the past 10 years is to present situations to students and ask THEM to come up with solutions, definitions, methods etc. Such an approach by discovery helps retention and makes learning more enjoyable. We see here that Rashi used similar methods. He teaches grammar by seeking out similar cases. The student is then encouraged to seek further cases. Such learning by student self research and patterns stimulates retention and makes learning more enjoyable. LISTS ----- {LIST1} {Of PUAL FORMS. THe PUAL has a FORM and MEANING. The PUAL form has a characteristic SHOROOK (oo sound). The PUAL meaning is usually taken to mean PASSIVITY; however as can be seen from this list, this is not entirely true} VERSE ROOT ROOT MEANING FORM FORM MEANING ===== ==== ============ ======= ============ 2-9-31 NKH To hit NooKoo Injured Job33:21 SFH # To slip ShooPoo Dislocated Job33:21 RAH To see RooOoo Seen 2-38-21 PKD To assign PooKad Were assigned 1-3-23 LKCh To take LooKaCh Taken FOOTNOTES: ========= # SFH is interpreted by the RDQ as CRUSHED. I believe that SLIP is a better translation. (To defend the RDQ over me look at 1-3-15 which strongly supports him) CROSS REFERENCES: ---------------- ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ---------------- RULE CLASSIFICATION: GRAMMAR | PUAL -------------------- #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v2-4-4 ...and he grabbed it (Moses grabbed the stick) ------ v2-9-2 ..and you still hold them (i.e. hold the Jews) RASHI TEXT: (2-4-4)ChZK + B = To grab ---------- (2-9-2)The root ChZK can mean to HOLD BRIEF BUT COMPLETE NARRATIVE EXPLANATION: ----------------------------------------- Rashi simply explains that CHZK + B = To Hold. ChZK has about 8 meanings {LIST1} If a) Chzk is in the hifil and b) the preposition B (in) is used then ChZK means TO HOLD or TO GRAB See {LIST2} for a good set of examples illustrating this. RASHI'S FORM ------------ * This Rashi is a real treasure chest on form-- we compare it to the Rashi on 2-9-2. Both Rashis use the principle that ChZK + B = To hold As noted in {LIST1} this principle is also mentioned by the RDQ. But look at the differences in the Rashi ITEM V2-9-2 v2-4-4 ---- ------ ------ Means to hold Mentioned Mentioned # of Examples 1 3 ChZK+B = To Hold Not mentiond Mentioned Yet in application both Rashis are the same. We conclude something I have mentioned several times: Rashi is meant to be read --by looking up lists & --by making explicit principles based on generalizations Sometimes Rashi will do the work for us and sometimes he will only give one nifty example. The reason for the absence of explicit principles and mutiple examples by each Rashi is because of the WORKBOOK APPROACH that Rashi uses--A good workbook fills in some examples completely and leaves other examples for the student to fill in Regarding lists: Note how we used the RDQ not the Konkordance to create the above list. Indeed computers and Konkordances give lists by ROOTS. They do not gives lists by MEANING. The serious student must avail himself/herself of those works which give lists by meaning. Finally note also how we supplemented the RDQ with the relationship between meaning and grammatical mode. The serious student must be open to the fact that Biblical Hebrew grammar is NOT fully understood and there is much work to be done. LISTS: ------ {LIST1} {Of meanings of the root ChZK--courtesy of RDQ) MEANING VERSE FORM ======= ===== ==== Become Strong Jud-1-28 Kal Strengthen 2C2-28-20 Kal* Strengthn object 2-19-19 Piel** Inflexible 2-4-21 Piel** Repair Kings2-12-7 Piel** Overpower 2S-10-11 Verb + M (From) Pressing 1Ch-21-4 Verb + AL (on) # Hold 1-21-18 Hifil + B (In) #* Volume capacity 2C-4-5 ? Appear Strong 4-13-20 Hithpael #** FOOTNOTES: ========= *There is considerable controversy on what ChZK means in this verse--see RDQ for a summary (Both the commentary and the book of roots)---but I feel that OVERPOWER is an unlikely interpretation here. Also compare Ps18-2=God is My strength = He Who Stengthens me ** RDQ does NOT make explicit the relationship between meaning and grammatical mode. Nevertheless it appears that the KAL is used for strengthening of PEOPLE the PIEL is used for strengthening of OBJECTS So we have Strong Shofar blast (2-19-19) Strong material (Is 54,2) Inflexible (2-4-21) like the English metaphor inflexible Repair = (Kings 2-12-7) to make a structure strong . # This (V+ON) is my own observation. Compare 1-47-20 & 2C25-3?!? Maybe ChZK+M = (complete) overpowering. ChZK + AL = pressing / urgent #* RDQ like Rashi mentions the "Verb + B" form. But Radaq also brings other forms where it means TO HOLD but may not have a "B". For example (2S-15-5 ChZK L (TO), or Jer 8,21). I have also found verses like 2R25-3-"and the famine ChZK IN the city" where it could mean "The famine took hold in the city (like English)" or perhaps it might be translated in other ways. Finally many of the meanings of TO HOLD or TO GRAB occur in the Hiphil (RDQ does not make explicit the relationship between meaning and grammatical mode) I think the above list should suffice since it is based on the RDQ and many examples. However some further speculations (that we can't prove) would give finer nuances Hifil + No preposition = To spread thru Hifil + B = To hold / To grab Hifil + L = To hug ((2S-15-5)) This last example poignantly illustrates the richness of Biblical interpretation. TO HUG = a Holding that expresses concern while TO HOLD means to TAKE CONTROL of an object. Unfortunately HIFIL+L which we claim means to hug only occurs once in Tnach #** RDQ (and Rashi) mention the relationship between meaning and prepostions only with "B"; they do not mention the relation between meaning and other prepositions; they also do not mention the relationship between meaning and mode. The idea that different grammatical modes can have different meanings is well known. It appears from the list presented by the RDQ that the following hold: MODE APPROXIMATE MEANING ==== =================== KAL Strengthen PEOPLE PIEL Stengthen objects, sounds, emotions (non people) HITHPAEL Appear Strong (in conditions of fright) HIFIL Grab, hold or have power spread thru something {LIST2} {List of verses where Chzk B = To Hold} VERSE MEANING ===== ======= 1-21-18 ...and grab the child (Angel speaking to Hagar) 1-19-16 ..and they (the angels) grabbed him (Lot) Job2,9 ..you still hold on to your (claim of ) innocence 2-9-2 ..you still hold on to them (the Jews) 2-4-4 ..and he grabbed it (Moses grabbed the stick) Prv-26-16 Like a person grabbing the ears of a dog so too is a passerby who mixes into a dispute not pertaining to him CROSS REFERENCES: ---------------- 2-9-2 Another use of the CHZK + B principle 1-41-8B (Volume 1 Number 3) The principle that meaning is an attribute of Root+Preposition not Root alone ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ----------------- RULE CLASSIFICATION: VERB + PREPOSITION | MODES #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 1999 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* Send SUBMISSIONS/responses/contributions to rashi-is-simple@shamash.org To get PAST ISSUES goto http://www.shamash.org/listarchives/rashi-is-simple/ To retrieve a specific past issue email to listproc@shamash.org and type in the body of the message: get rashi-is-simple rashi-is-simple.v#.n# To UNSUBSCRIBE send mail to listproc@shamash.org and type in the body of the message: unsubscribe rashi-is-simple email-address. 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