Rashi-Is-Simple Mailing List VISIT the RASHI DATABASE archives AT http://www.RashiYomi.Com/ Surfing the Talmudic Seas (C) Dr Russell Jay Hendel, 2000 Volume 7 Number 19 Produced Sept 28, 2000 WARNING: USE FIX WIDTH FONTS (eg COURIER (NEW) 10) Verses/Topics Discussed in This Issue with quicky explanations QUESTIONS FROM READERS v9-9-26a ANONYMOUS Comment encouraging long postings v9-9-26b Question by Mark Lowitz on how they told time in Talmudic Times. A long answer is presented showing the difference In law between a Gematria vs a Conceptual approach. WEEKLY PARSHAH SERIES Rashis covered in this issue ---------------------------- VERSE RULE BRIEF EXPLANATION ======== ============== ================= Dt32-30a SENTENCE STRCTR Rashi explains the WHO, WHOM, & TO WHOM Dt32-30b SENTENCE STRCTR Rashi explains the WHO, WHOM, & TO WHOM Dt32-30c SENTENCE STRCTR Rashi explains the WHO, WHOM, & TO WHOM Dt32-31a SENTENCE STRCTR Rashi explains the WHO, WHOM, & TO WHOM Dt32-31b SENTENCE STRCTR Rashi explains the WHO, WHOM, & TO WHOM Dt32-32a SENTENCE STRCTR Rashi explains the WHO, WHOM, & TO WHOM ----------------------------------------------------------------- #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 2000 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* RASHI IS SIMPLE GOALS: To grammatically defend all 8000 Rashis on Chumash. METHOD:Rashis are defended with LISTS of comparable cases INTENDED AUDIENCE: Laymen, Academicians, Yeshiva world COMMENTS,QUESTIONS: EMail to address below ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:If you want to ask anonymously please ask (UN)SUBSCRIBE: Email to addresses below with "(UN)subscribe" JOURNAL REFERECE: Pshat & Drash,TRADITION, Win 1980,R Hendel NOTATION: eg Gn01-02a refers to Rashi "a" on Genesis 1:2 SPECIALS:...on Parshah,Rambam,Ramban,Pedagogy,Symbolism RASHI-IS-SIMPLE RULES Complete set of rules on bottom EMAIL: RJHendel@Juno.Com, rashi-is-simple@shamash.org, WEB: http://www.RashiYomi.Com/ #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 2000 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v9-9-26a FROM: Anonymous RE: Repentance on Long Postings and Promise to make shorter postings DATE: Sept 2000 BACKGROUND: I recently, in honor of the New Year, expressed my remorse at some of my longer postings and promised to make shorter postings (which I have). In response to my Teshuva on Long postings I received the following response. Russell, WHAT??????? Long postings is NOT something for you to repent of, is it? There's always the delete button. If people give you a hard time, that may be their problem. I'd underline 'their', but my Netscape does not give me that option. Oh, I get it, you're so close to perfect that this was the best you could come up with to get into the 'repentance season'. But I will take your blessing. G-d knows, I probably need it! I'm having a very hard time of it, this year. I feel like my 'ba'al t'shuva' grace period ran out long ago. Well, the best to you. #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 2000 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: v9-9-26b THE QUESTION From: "Lowitz, Mark (HT-EX)"To: "'RJHendel@Juno.Com'" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:35:02 -0400 Subject: Question Dr. Hendel, Hope you are well. I am currently learning Sanhedrin (with someone who knows you, Jeff Schwartz [Cherry Hill, NJ]). We are studying the procedure the courts used to interrogate witnesses. Without getting intro all the details, the gemara goes into detail regarding 7 questions the witnesses are asked. One question asked was what time did the event occur. I was wondering if you know how this was determined. I do not believe clocks existed during the time the gemara was edited. I understand t hat during a sunny day, time could be determined by the position of the sun. However, how was it determined on a cloudy day or in the evening? Any halachic source would be appreciated. Best regards, Mark Lowitz Component Engineer Motorola e-mail mlowitz@gi.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- ANSWER ----------------------------------------------------------------- I really would encourage everybody to join into this discussion. This is an old question from a year ago. Here are some sources which you can look up. I then summarize and answer the question, In addition to ansewring Marks question we discuss several deep Talmudic issues on how Biblical derivation affects the final law. SOURCES http://www.RashiYomi.com/dt13-15a.htm http://www.RashiYomi.com/h3n15.htm See the Question & Discussion of Chaiim Brown 3 BASIC LAWS 1) THE LAW OF DETAILS Three verses, Dt13-15, Dt17-04, Dt19-18, ask in 3 different contexts that witnesses be examined WELL until 'BEHOLD' what they say is true.'This commonality to 3 verses of WELL-BEHOLD, in and of itself,suggests that interrogation MUST be DETAILED. You don't just ask "When did the murder take place" but you ALSO ask WELL (With details) "What hours, what day, what month, what day of month, what year did the murder take place" 2) THE LAW OF WHAT-HOW-WHEN-WHERE From the PARELLELISM of the verses we infer that there should be three types of questions. For two of the verses simply say "SEEK" from the witnesses while the third says "SEEK, ASK & INVESTIGATE". Thus we have the requirements of performing many types of investigations: WHAT Crime was committed? HOW was it committed (eg Gun, Knife, Fight...) WHEN and WHERE 3) THE INVALIDATION PROCESS Witnesses can be invalidated (and the accused is acquited) if a) they contradict each other on ANY question b) They express ignorance on one of the WHEN and WHERE questions (or the WHAT-HOW questions) *EXAMPLES--In the following cases the witnesses are invalidated One witness says the murderer was wearing a green shirt while the other witness says he(the murderer) was wearning a red shirt. One witness said the crime happened on Tuesday at 2 while one witness said it happened at 2 but he forgets which day *EXAMPLES---In this example the witnesses are NOT invalidated One witness says he was wearing a green shirt while the other witness forgot. MY APPROACH vs THE LITERAL TALMUDIC APPROACH My approach is based on the parallel verses. I believe the laws come from the repeated emphasis SEEK WELL UNTIL YOU BEHOLD By contrast, the literal interpretation of Rashi counts 7 extra phrases and concludes that there are EXACTLY 7 WHERE-WHEN questions a) What PLACE b) What HOUR c) What day of week d) What day of Month e) What Month f) What year g) What 7-year cycle. PLACES WHERE I AND THE LITERAL APPROACH DIFFER Here is where I and the literal approach differ: Should we ask DETAILED QUESTIONS about WHERE it happened? BUT As we already saw you can/should ask detailed questions about anything? What color shirt? Where? When? And we further saw that ANY type of contradiction invalidates the witnesses. So of course you should ask details about the WHERE (This point was made by Chaiim Brown) So the only issue is whether we should REQUIRE as part of the WHERE-WHEN questions that DETAILED QUESTIONS OF WHEN be asked so that if the witnesses were ignorant they would be invalidated. In fact I suggest we should ask a) What street did the murder take place b) What avenue c) What borough d) What city e) What state f) What country. If the witnesses can't answer these questions they are invalidated By contrast the LITERAL approach says that although you MAY ask these 7 questions nevertheless if the witnesses are ignorant of all the WHEN questions then we do not invalidate them. (In passing I find it remarkable that if the witnesses do not remember whether it is 1 or 2 years ago they are invalidated but if they do not remember whether the murder took place in the Bronx or Queens they are not invalidated) SUMMARY: I think there are real issues here. If we approach the Bible conceptually then my 6-part approach to WHERE is required. If we approach it literally then it is not required TECHNICAL MATTERS: The Rambam and Halacha in several places in KETUVOTH and LOANS speak about the fact that "Some cities drew documents with hour-times stamped while some just mentioed the day". Jerusalem was one such city where documents mentioned the HOUR. This helped in LOANS since it was clear which lender lent first. How could Jerusalemites know the hour? I would guess quite simply that several centrally located "posts" in Jerusalem had "hour sand glasses" which enabled computation of the exact hour. These posts would periodically "ANNOUNCE THE HOUR" so that all people who drew up loans would know what hour it was. Hope this answers your question, Mark. And to the rest of you...My invitation to Chaiim last year to generate a Talmudic discussion on the topic of derivation is still open Russell Jay Hendel; Moderator Rashi is Simple #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 2000 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* VERSE: Dt32-30a RASHIS COVERED: Dt32-30a Dt32-30b Dt32-30c Dt32-31a Dt32-31b Dt32-32a BACKGROUND: Dt32-26:27 Explicitly states that the JEWS are wicked and God would have destroyed them were it not for the fact that the ENEMIES of the Jews would then say that we won (And not their God destroyed them ). The verses following these alternately talk about the JEWS or their ENEMIES. However because of the poetic terseness of these verses it is not always made clear whether they are talking about the JEWS or their ENEMIES Thus Rashis Job will be to explain WHO is being spoken about. RULE: In dealing with POETIC verses there are 4 separate problems that Rashi can be dealing with: a) MEANING: Rashi can simply explain the meaning of words b) GRAMMAR: Rashi can simply explain the function of words-- who is doing it; how etc c) SENTENCE STRUCTURE: Rashi can be explaining the relation of sentences parts d) CLIMAX: Rashi can be showing the development of various sentences Note, that these are the 4 rule categories of the Rashi rules (which you can find listed below at the bottom of the digest). In the previous digest (Volume 7 Number 18) we showed how the concept of CONTEXT and DEVELOPMENT can be used to give richness of understanding. We have also seen verses where the hard part is word MEANING. In this posting we show how Rashi can be explaining grammatical function. EXAMPLES: ------------------------------------------------------------ In the following verses Rashi clarifies whether the verse is Speaking about the Jews or their enemies. To clarify the Verses I shall use the Nazis as example of Jewish enemies Missing words supplied by Rashi are placed in CAPS ------------------------------------------------------------ EXAMPLE 1: Dt32-30 How shall one NAZI *1 pursue 1000 JEWS *2 Two NAZIS *1 pursue 10000 JEWS *2 Unless their [ie the Jewish] God had sold them[the Jews] TO THE NAZIS*3 NOTES *1 Dt32-30a Rashi fills in the grammatical Subject-- WHO is pursueing (the Nazis) *2 Dt32-30b Rashi fills in the grammatical object--- WHOM is being pursued(Jews) *3 Dt32-30c Rashi fills in the indirect object--------- TO WHOM are they being sold Notice how Rashis task is NOT to explain meaning, or context but rather to explain Grammatical function. Rashi transforms the verse How can 1 pursue 1000" to "How can 1 NAZI pursue 1000 JEWS By filling in the missing words Rashi explains grammatical funciton. We could also explain why Poetry sometimes leave words out.....but that is not our task here (See Sifsay Chachamim for interesting comments). Our task here is to show Rashis basic function as grammatical. EXAMPLE 2: Dt32-32a For the JEWISH vines are Sedomite Vines RASHI: This verse refers back to several previous verses where Jewish wickedness was discussed. For example {LIST} VERSE TEXT ------- -------------------------------------- Dt32-15 The Jews rebelled and deserted God Dt32-16 They angered him with foreign worship Dt32-17 They worshipped foreign Gods Dt32-26 I said I would destroy the Jews.. Dt32-32 For the JEWISH vines are SEDOMITE vines Thus again Rashi is clarifying grammatical function-- WHO, HOW, WHOM, TO WHOM. The reason it is necessary for Rashi to do this is because the verses rapidly fluctuate between the JEWS whom God would destroy and the NAZIS who are too stupid to see that their victory is because God allowed it. EXAMPLE 3: Dt32-31 BACKGROUND: Just 5 verses earlier the Torah explicitly says Dt32-26 I thought to myself, let me destroy the JEWS, eradicate their memory Dt32-27 But I decided against destroying them .... lest the NAZIS say Our hand was victorious--we won--God had nothing to do with it So Rashi interprets Dt32-31 the same way Dt32-31 For our (ie JEWISH) God cannot compare to the nazi god*1 AND THEREFORE IT MUST BE GOD WHO ALLOWS The nazis to rule over us NOTES *1 eg The Jewish God delivered us from Egypt. The nazis have no Comparable religious experience. So they should understand That any victories they obtain must be with the consent of The Jewish God So again Rashi identifies GRAMMATICAL FUNCTION and shows how the parts of the sentence are connected RULE USED: SENTENCE STRCTR #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 2000 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* THE 2 DOZEN RASHI-IS-SIMPLE RASHI RULES http://www.RashiYomi.Com/rules.htm ======================================= I: RASHI gives MEANING ====================== A: NEW MEANINGS--(eg)"on the face of"=during the lifetime Volume 2 Number 9, http://www.rashiyomi.Com/Nu04-04a.htm B: SPECIAL WORDS--(eg)ACH=USUALLY;USUALLY observe shabbath! Rashi Yomi Summaries,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Ach-6.htm C: SYNONYMS--(eg)AMR=to speak; DBR=to cite or to quote; Volume 2 Number 1, http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Lv20-02a.htm D: WORD MEANINGS-Thermos(TzNTzNTh)=doubly(TZN TZN) Cold(TZN) Volume 1 Number 9,23,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Ex31-15a.htm E: UNIFIED MEANINGS-PAAM=Repeated action:To Ring,Hammer,Step Volume 1 Number 3,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Gn41-08a.htm II: RASHI teaches GRAMMAR/STYLE =============================== F: CLASSICAL GRAMMAR--(eg)QUESTION = HEY+CHATAF PATACH Volume 3 Number 22,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Gn04-09z.htm G: USAGE(NEW GRAMMAR)--(eg)INFINITIVE="be involved in"; Volume 5 Number 24,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Ex13-03a.htm H: ROOT+PREPOSITION--(eg)ChZK B="to hold";ChZK M="overpower" Volume 1 Number 7,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Ex04-04a.htm I: THE SENTENCE--2 verses can make 1 sentence-eg Dt02-16:17 Volume 3 Number 7,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Dt19-06a.htm J: STYLE--REPETITION denotes Endearment;eg 'Jacob Jacob' Volume 1 Number 12,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Gn46-02a.htm K: DOUBLE NOUNS--(eg)"GIVE GIVE";if not CHARITY then LOAN Double Noun page, http://www.RashiYomi.Com/DN.htm L: PRONOUNS-(eg)IMCHAH=with you; ITCHAH=Accompanying you; Volume 3 Number 13,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Ex22-24c.htm III: OVERALL TEXTUAL STRUCTURE ============================== M: OTHER VERSES--Aaron SAW(Ex32-05)...the brawl(Ex32-18) OTHER VERSE page, http://www.RashiYomi.Com/ov.htm N: EXTRA SENTENCES-eg[GIVE HIM][WHAT HE NEEDS](Not if rich) Volume 2 Number 20,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Dt15-08c.htm O: DOUBLE PARSHAS-'he WILL pray'-'he WON'T pray';So Optional Volume 3 Number 12,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Dt24-14a.htm P: CLIMAX-(eg Dt19-11)(a)Hate, (b)spy, (c)confront,(d)Murder Climax Page, http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Climax.htm Q: OVERALL STRUCTURE-growing nails=despisement(from context) Volume 3 Number 8,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Dt21-11a.htm R: SPREADSHEETS-What is the marriage loophole in inheritance Volume 2 Number 23,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Nu36-03a.htm IV: BEYOND THE TEXT =================== S: MORAL LESSONS/REASONS-God explains BEFORE punishing; Volume 2 Number 12,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Nu12-09a.htm T: RabbiIshmael-(eg)"When an OX gores";(Or ANY animal gores) Volume 4 Number 21,http://www.RashiYomi.Com/Dt25-04a.htm End of Rashi-Is-Simple Digest #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# (C) Dr Hendel, 2000 *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*