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| JOB                                |
|(c) Jul 2003 RashiYomi Incorporated |
| Posting 12 of 25                   |
| Jul 13, 2003                       |
| In Memory of Abraham Hendel        |
| Translated by Dr Russell Hendel    |
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The book of Job naturally divides into 25 units---
this is the 12th.

CHAPTER 19
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Today we translate chapter 19 which
according to the outline contains
- ROUND 2
- DIALOG 2 '
- Jobs refutation of Bildads 2nd attempt to answer Job.

A summary of dialogs till now is as follows
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ELIPHAZ: Suffering comes to teach & improve
JOB: SUFFERING improves;but PAIN prevents improvement

BILDAD: Suffering comes from sin;Success from observance
JOB: But national tragedies affect righteous/wicked alike

TZORFAR: Suffering comes to encourage more Learning
JOB: Mans life is too short; he cant learn that much more

ELIPHAZ(ROUND 1): Suffering comes to teach and improve
ELIPHAZ(ROUND 2): Suffering/happiness is INNER not OUTER
JOB (Round 1): SUFFERING improves;but PAIN prevents improvement
JOB (Round 2): UNJUST PAIN prevents learning; I-m unjustly
tortured

BILDAD(ROUND 2): Success/Failure comes from presence/absence of
dreams
JOB(Round 2): But my suffering prevents me from dreaming
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Here is the MAIN sentence for this round
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JOB(Round 2): But my suffering prevents me from dreaming
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Jobs refutation is clear and concise.

We now apply our 3 fold
approach(TOPIC,SUBTOPICS, WORDS)
to Chapter 19(See posting 1 for
an explanation of this approach)


Here are the 4 sections of this chapter.

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MAIN:(ROUND 2):But my suffering prevents me from dreaming
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Job19-02:04 How long will you tease me
Job19-05:11 My suffering prevents me from dreaming
Job19-12:21 I have no friends who will dream for me
Job19-22:29 Why dont you help me? God will punish you
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On a technical point, the reader can of
course recognize chapter subsections by content.
However the reader can also recognize chapter
subsections by KEYWORDS which introduce these
subsections. The sections of this chapter begin
with the Hebrew Keywords
- HOW LONG (AD),
- BUT IF INDEED (IM AMNAM),
- TOGETHER (YACHAD),
- WHY

Let us now review the 4 individual sections

-----------------------SECTION 1----------------------
MAIN:(ROUND 2):But my suffering prevents me from dreaming
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Job19-02:04 How long will you tease me
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(Jb19-02) How long will you make me fed up?
(Jb19-02) ----------------- tease me verbally
(Jb19-03) This [last answer] was the 10th time that
(Jb19-03) ------------------ you humiliated me
(Jb19-03) ------------------ you have no shame [in doing it]
(Jb19-03) ------------------ you treat me like a stranger
(Jb19-04) Even if I had sinned
(Jb19-04) shouldnt my sin-[guilt] inn with me [Why add to it]
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---------------------SECTION 2------------------------
MAIN:(ROUND 2):But my suffering prevents me from dreaming
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Job19-05:11 My suffering prevents me from dreaming
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(Jb19-05) BUT IF you indeed think you are my elders
(Jb19-05) ------ ----------------------- you have rebuked me for my
sin
(Jb19-05) ------ [By suggesting that Dreams are a solution to
suffering]
(Jb18-05) ------
(Jb18-06) THEN know now: God has made me crooked [I cant dream!]
(Jb18-06) -------------- God has surrounded me in a trap [Dreams cant
get in]
(Jb18-07) -------------- ALTHOUGH: I scream on my robberies
(Jb18-07) -------------- NEVERTHELESS: I am not answered [in dreams]
(Jb18-07) -------------- [ALTHOUGH]: I seek salvation
(Jb18-07) -------------- [NEVERTHELESS]: I receive no justice
(Jb18-08) -------------- My [sleep] paths have been gated--I cant get
thru
(Jb18-08) -------------- Darkness [no dreams] has been placed on my
side-paths
(Jb18-09) -------------- My spiritual honor [dreams]: He (God)
stripped it from me
(Jb18-09) -------------- He (God) has removed the crown-of-the-mind
[dreams]
(Jb18-10) -------------- He slit [a circle of bark] and walked away
(Jb18-10) -------------- [Explanatory comment: A tree missing a
circle of bark]
(Jb18-10) -------------- [LOOKS healthy but WILL DIE since]
(Jb18-10) -------------- [food cannot go from the root to the top]
(Jb18-10) -------------- My hopes vanish like this tree
(Jb18-11) -------------- [IN SUMMARY] GOD IS ANGRY WITH ME
(Jb18-11) -------------- ------------ HE THINKS OF ME AS HIS ENEMY
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--------------------SECTION 3-------------------------
MAIN:(ROUND 2):But my suffering prevents me from dreaming
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Job19-12:21 I have no friends who will dream for me
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(Jb18-12) TOGETHER: Come Gods troops
(Jb18-12) -------- They entangle a path on me
(Jb18-12) -------- They encamp in a circle on my house
(Jb18-13) -------- MY BROTHERS: Have distanced from me
(Jb18-13) -------- MY RELATIVES: Have behaved like strangers
(Jb18-14) -------- MY FAMILY: has dwindled (from seeing me)
(Jb18-14) -------- MY FRIENDS: have forgotten me
(Jb18-15) -------- MY TENANTS and MAIDS: Think I am a stranger
(Jb18-15) -------- ------------------: I am a foreigner in their eyes
(Jb18-16) -------- TO MY SERVANT: I call but there is no answer
(Jb18-16) -------- -------------- even though I personally plead
with him
(Jb18-17) -------- MY PERSONALITY: Is a stranger to my wife
(Jb18-17) -------- MY COMPASSION: ------------- to my own children
(Jb18-18) -------- ALSO THE RIF-RAF: despise me
(Jb18-18) -------- ----------------- When I get up they murmur
against me
(Jb18-19) -------- MY CLOSE ASSOCIATES: loathe me
(Jb18-19) -------- MY TRUE FRIENDS: Double-cross me
(Jb18-20) -------- MY SKIN AND FLESH: Is my closest associate
(Jb18-20) -------- THE SKIN OF MY TEETH (my soliloquies):
(Jb18-20) -------- ---------------------------------- save me (From
no-one to talk with)
(Jb18-21) -------- PITY ME PITY ME, MY FRIENDS
(Jb18-21) -------- FOR IT IS GODS HAND THAT HAS TOUCHED ME
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---------------------SECTION 4------------------------
MAIN:(ROUND 2):But my suffering prevents me from dreaming
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Job19-22:29 Why dont you help me? God will punish you
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(Jb18-22) -------- WHY? You pursue me in might?
(Jb18-22) -------- ---- when the sight of my flesh should satisfy
(vengeance)
(Jb18-23) -------- Oh if only my words could be WRITTEN
(Jb18-23) -------- Oh if only -------- could be ENGRAVED IN A BOOK
(Jb18-24) -------- -------------------- with an IRON PEN
(Jb18-24) -------- -------------------- with LEAD
(Jb18-24) -------- ------------------- -Permanently: Hewn in STONE
(Jb18-25) -------- For I know that God my Redeemer is Eternal
(Jb18-25) -------- IN THE END He will avenge me
(Jb18-25) -------- WHEN I AM DUST (dead) -----------------
(Jb18-26) -------- AFTER MY SKIN IS GONE you (my friends) will grasp
it
(Jb18-26) -------- WHEN I AM FROM-MY-FLESH I will vision Gods
(vengeance)
(Jb18-27) -------- ----------------------- THEN I will vision it
(vengeance)
(Jb18-27) -------- ----------------------- My eyes will personally
see it
(Jb18-27) -------- ----------------------- (the vengeance) I have
longed for
(Jb18-28) -------- For you (my friends) should have said: Why pursue
him (Job)
(Jb18-28) -------- ------------------------------------ We have
nothing on him
(Jb18-29) -------- [But God will avenge me for not saying this and
picking on me]
(Jb18-29) -------- Fear the [vengeance of the] sword
(Jb18-29) -------- for it is Divine wrath when God punishes by sword
(Jb18-29) -------- And you will understand that you deserve it
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