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| JOB                                |
|(c) Jul 2003 RashiYomi Incorporated |
| Posting 14 of 25                   |
| Jul 25, 2003                       |
| In Memory of Abraham Hendel        |
| Translated by Dr Russell Hendel    |
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The book of Job naturally divides into 25 units---
this is the 14th.

CHAPTER 21
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Today we translate chapter 20 which
according to the outline contains
- ROUND 2
- DIALOG 3
- Jobs refutation of Tzofars Answer

A summary of dialogs till now is as follows
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ELIPHAZ: Suffering comes to teach & improve
JOB: SUFFERING improves;but PAIN prevents improvement

BILDAD: Suffering comes from sin;Success from observance
JOB: But national tragedies affect righteous/wicked alike

TZORFAR: Suffering comes to encourage more Learning
JOB: Mans life is too short; he cant learn that much more

ELIPHAZ(ROUND 1): Suffering comes to teach and improve
ELIPHAZ(ROUND 2): Suffering/happiness is INNER not OUTER
JOB (Round 1): SUFFERING improves;but PAIN prevents improvement
JOB (Round 2): UNJUST PAIN prevents learning; I-m unjustly tortured


BILDAD(ROUND 2):Success/Failure comes from presence/absence of dreams
JOB(Round 2): But my suffering prevents me from dreaming

TZORFAR(Round 1): Suffering comes to encourage more Learning
JOB(Round 2): Mans life is too short; he cant learn that much more
TZOFAR(Round 2): Wicked go quickly-righteous gradually(Time to learn)
JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Here is the MAIN sentence for this round
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JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Todays posting is probably the easiest to understand
in the whole book. TZOFAR gave the standard party
line that the wickeds pleasure is short and that
therefore prolonged suffering is given to the
righteous in order to help him(Teach, rebuke etc).

It is easy to refute this: Job explains that it is
simply not true that the wicked go quickly. On the
contrary many wicked enjoy long lives


Here are the 5 sections of this chapter.

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JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Job21-02:06 Humor me my friends-at least listen!
Job21-07:16 The wicked have long enjoyable lives
Job21-17:26 How many wicked are punished(Usually sons punished)
Job21-27:31 I know your claim: Wicked go quickly;Gods way
Job21-32:34 But the wicked die in maturity and happy
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On a technical point, the reader can of
course recognize chapter subsections by content.
However the reader can also recognize chapter
subsections by KEYWORDS which introduce these
subsections. The sections of this chapter begin
with the Hebrew Keywords
- Listen Listen (Double word)
- Why
- How often
- Indeed
- But for him(The wicked)

It might be better to combine the last two
sections (Question and answer) but we leave
it as is

-------------------SECTION 1------------------------------
JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Job21-02:06 Humor me my friends-at least listen!
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(Job21-02) Listen Listen to my words
(Job21-02) This (listening) will be your consolation
(Job21-03) - that you bore with me while I spoke
(Job21-03) - and waited till the end to ridicule me
(Job21-04) Are my chats to man? (arent they to God)
(Job21-04) If they are(nt)(to man) why shouldnt I be upset
---------- (I should get an answer)
(Job21-05) Pay attention to me;
(Job21-05) Stun yourselves
(Job21-05) Place your hands on your mouth
(Job21-06) [For even] if I remember what I want to say
(Job21-06) My flesh is gripped with goose pimple
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-------------------SECTION 2------------------------------
JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Job21-07:16 The wicked have long enjoyable lives
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(Job21-07) WHY do -
(Job21-07) The wicked live
(Job21-07) ---------- They become established
(Job21-07) ---------- They excel in skills
(Job21-08) THEIR SONS - are established with them
(Job21-09) THEIR DESCENDANTS - they live to see
(Job21-10) THEIR HOUSES - At Peace, From Fear
(Job21-10) The Divine rod is not on them
(Job21-11) THEIR INFANTS - roam freely like sheep
(Job21-11) THEIR CHILDREN - romp
(Job21-12) THEY GET HIGH - with arts
(Job21-12) THEY REJOICE - with music
(JOB21-13) THEY WEAR OUT THEIR LIVES in good thimgs
(Job21-14) It is only a second that cuts Hell(Death)to them
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(Job21-15) Isnt the good in their hands?
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(Job21-15) Their way of life is beyond me
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NOTE: Note my use of poetic license in Job21-12.
The actual Biblical text lists technical musical instruments
But I believe the spirit of the text is as translated
This is the way eg we speak in English today We would
say - They enjoy the arts and music.

-------------------SECTION 3-----------------------------
JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Job21-17:26 How many wicked are punished(Usually sons punished)
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(Job21-17) HOW OFTEN
(Job21-17) Will the spark(soul) of the wicked be quenced
(Job21-17) ---- THEIR day of tribulation come on them
(Job21-17) ---- ----- strings be broken by God with anger
(Job21-18) ---- THEY be like grass in the wind
(Job21-18) ---- ---- -- ---- grain kernels stolen by a whirlwind
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(Job21-19) God traditionally waits to punish their descendants
---------- (The idea being to give them a chance to repent)
(Job21-19) He teaches the wicked a lesson by punishing sons
(Job21-20) The wicked sees the tribulations God brings
(Job21-20) ------------------- Divine anger which his sons drink
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(Job21-21) Will anyone teach God more properly
(Job21-22) Arent Gods ways [wait to punish son] above us
---------- (But WE cant understand Him)
(Job21-23) (Indeed) THIS ONE(WICKED) dies at the end of life
(Job21-23) ------- ---------------- all happy and tranquil
(Job21-24) ------- ---------------- his stomach filled with milk
(Job21-24) ------- ---------------- his bone marrow moist
(Job21-25) -------- THIS ONE(HIS SON) dies in bitterness
(Job21-25) -------- ----------------- never having seen good
(Job21-26) -------- ---TOGETHER------ they rest in dust
(Job21-26) -------- ----------------- worms cover them
---------- (So indeed, the wicked themselves enjoy life)
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-------------------SECTION 4-----------------------------
JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Job21-27:31 I know your claim: Wicked go quickly;Gods way
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(Job21-27) Indeed I know your thoughts
(Job21-27) The plots you make to intellectually mug me
(Job21-28) FOR YOU SAY:Where is the house of the opulent
(Job21-28) ----------- Where are the tents of the wicked
(Job21-29) ----------- Everyone knows this
(Job21-29) ----------- it cant be denied
(Job21-30) ----------- The wicked will get a tribulation day
(Job21-30) ----------- they are LED to the day of the dam breaking
(Job21-31) -------------------------------
(Job21-31) ----------- Who will tell God about his ways
(Job21-31) ----------- For indeed He does (punish in end)
(Job21-31) ----------- Who can demand that he is owed something
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-------------------SECTION 5------------------------------
JOB(ROUND 2): Wicked have long enjoyable lives
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Job21-32:34 But the wicked die in maturity and are happy
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---------- (But the truth is that)
(Job21-32) But him (the wicked)
(Job21-32) is LED (not to the dam breaking but rather)
(Job21-32) ------ to his grave
(Job21-32) He (the wicked) prepares for a full ripe life
---------- (that is, to be cut at END)
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(Job21-32) (Isnt his grave) Sweet to him --
(Job21-32) (Like) river-clods of earth
(Job21-32) The type of earth that all people desire
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(Job21-32) Wont many come to his funeral
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(Job21-32) (if all the above is true then)
(Job21-32) How will you comfort me with fleeting breaths;
(Job21-32) your answers are left with sacreligious holes
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